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Ron d
01-28-2017, 04:32 PM
Hi ron again , now I am completely confused the transmission tag starts with 7j however the part dept at h.o penn says that the serial number that follows is to high and the 7j did not go that high but the 7u did also everything I have read on this site leads me to believe it a 7u for eg. the air filter location in front of the operator, the cover on the sprocket bearing is the large round one not the square one , also parts man said with the number I gave him he said it would make it a 67 not a 58 all I want to do is figure out what the hell this thing is so I can buy the right manual so I can adjust the hand clutch any help on this would be much appreciated. thank again ron

ccjersey
01-28-2017, 05:19 PM
No expert here, but apparently all the CAT series before the U's stopped at 9999. This sometimes resulted in identical machines manufactured one behind the other on the line being in different series. Starting with the U's, machines were numbered with up to 5 digit serial numbers, so there was usually a significant redesign whenever series prefixes changed and the sequential numbers started over.

I suppose you could have a tractor that was put together from major components of the J and U series. I have heard of that being done with motor graders, not sure what was possible on the tractors though. Could also have a poorly stamped plate where the U came out looking lime a J.

Pictures would surely help and post the serial numbers.

Early series machines had suffix letters like W to denote Wide gauge and SP to denote special parts installed on the line.

Another thing, until the 1970's the serial number of the tractor or other machine would match the engine serial number. That changed when engines began having their own serial numbers and build codes etc.

One thing that is very pertinent to your question is whether the tractor has an oil clutch. I think by 58 the 7U would have had the oil clutch standard.

dpendzic
01-28-2017, 06:55 PM
Ron--this is your 4th thread on the same subject so it makes it a little confusing to follow---also some pictures would be helpful.
anyway HO Penn is my dealer on Long Island---are you nearby?
Dan

Ron d
01-28-2017, 07:25 PM
yes I am in ct ,as far as the clutch when I took off the cover infront of the shifter there is oil in the bottom the serial number is 7j38803 I do have pics how do I go about posting. thanks again ron

dpendzic
01-28-2017, 09:25 PM
7J model only went to 9999 in 1942----7U38803 is 1956

to load pics do the following
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if your in western Connecticut I may be able to stop by as i take I684 to and back from MA

ag-mike
01-28-2017, 09:28 PM
j a u??????? d47u? u better ferry over dan………..

ag-mike
01-28-2017, 09:31 PM
[QUOTE=dpendzic;179918]

hit "reply" 1st, then scroll down.

to load pics do the following
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click on your pic
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click on insert

dpendzic
01-28-2017, 09:35 PM
that's what I'm thinking Mike--a j is half of a u so maybe not stamped in well. :confused2::confused2: