What do these mean, anyway?

[Walt D7-3T]

On this new BB, below each persons name is, currently, "Junior Member" (Joe is Site Administrator) and over on ACME, for example, the one post I just looked at where Swishy has "Yellow Fever" under his name.

I have been curious what the different words mean when I have been on ACME and now I am even more curious what the words mean here on ACMOC BB. I think that on ACME it indicates something about if a person is a paying member but what about here on ACMOC?

Again, just curious. I have looked for the answer on each site but have not found out "what".

Joe, please do not take much time to answer this real soon, since you are very busy with the new BB so please take your time with the answer. Of course if OzDozer or someone else knows the answer, please jump right in. :D :D

[Willie]

Walt on his site you start out as a greenhorn then after so many post you become catskinner, here he has us starting out as junior member and will be interseting to see what we are are a few post maybe senior member or old fart who knows? LOL

[Catmatt]

Yeah I wonder what comes after junior member. Atleast this post will help my to the "next" level. Walt, how is good old az? Any progress with the old cat?
matt

[Joe_Black]

"Junior Member" is a default ranking with the system and I haven't implemented anything else as of yet. So you'll just have to wait anxiously until the powers that be come up with something interesting! ;)

[Walt D7-3T]

Thanks to you all for the replys. I tired to think what the words all mean but drew a blank (and no that doesn't mean my mind (head) is empty - ha ha). :D

Matt, unfortunately my D7 is still sitting in the same place. I had hoped to get it moved at the first of the year but NOT YET - dang it! (I get so frusterated......).:(

[Delta Dirt]

-------and apparently Joe has Swishy in quarantine waiting for Swishy's "fever" to go away-----so that the Swish won't spread that funny talk disease around over here on ACMOC.:D :D

Come on over Swishy-----where are you???

I had really figured that Swishy would have snooked in the back door and been sitting in the door when Joe Black got here.:rolleyes: :D

Delta Dirt

[Joe_Black]

I dunno what the deal is with the Swishter. :confused: Most of the issues I'm fielding from folk having problems is the usual AOL/Compuserve garbage, but Swishy isn't even in the holding queue.

[trakman]

SUSPENSE....SUSPENSE.......SUSPENSE.....In can't wait to find out what level I'll be after I grow up and leave the ranks of "junior member"!:D

[rigandig]

walt, on the acme board the different titles come as a member post threads or replies. after a certain threshold you become a foreman, etc. supporters(paying members) also have that showing with their name . a mere 25 bucks for a years worth of the best bb i've ever seen. anxious to see what they do here in comparison.:D rigandig

[Northart]

Personally , I reject the scheme of a certain titles, for the number of posts ! Bestowing a title of Catskinner, or Foreman upon someone who has never been one, is ridiculous and degrades our purpose, for informing people as to being Informed People or, Experts, in our stated purpose of Antique Restoration, History,etc.

What it does is allow a social interaction by the people, outside ofReal life, Caterpillar experience. Or related heavy equipment. Purely for BS !

Stating the ACMOC Posters real Life Experience, would be much more suitable, for newcomers, visitors,etc., trying to verify the veracity of the advice offered.

Such as Years in the Trade as Operating Engineer, Mechanic, Owner, Contractor, Engineer, Sales Person,Dealers, Management,Farmers, Ranchers, Loggers, Miners, etc. and some that I may have missed.

[Deas Plant.]

Hi, Northart.
I'm with you, at least some of the way. I don't think it takes all that long to sort out the wanna-be's from the 'real thang' in pretty much any BB situation but especially with vintage machinery.

When it comes to tye-tulls, y'all up there in the great U-nighted Staytes done got us beat DownUnder. Our unions don't have any 'op'ratin injunnears', although we do have most of the others that you mention. Operators DownUnder are just operators. Some are one-skilled, some are multi-skilled and, like most anywhere else in the world, some, the careless and/or just plain unlucky/unwary, are just killed.

There is a bit of a hierarchy among operators with dump truck operators being about the bottom of the food chain and gradually rising up from there. And just as with BB's, it doesn't usually take all that long to pick the good-uns from the not-so-good-uns out on the job either.

I've never been much of a respector of titles. Rather, I tend to respect ability, knowledge and understanding. I also respect the willingness to learn. And I salute you, Sir Northart, for plying your trade well in an environment that I would not choose to live in full time. 'Cos it's too Gard-amm cold for more'n half the year.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

[Joe_Black]

Just thought I'd chime in on this for a minute: The forum "titles" are pretty much just for fun, as you'll see by surfing through a variety of hobbyist forums. Yes they generally indicate how prolific a poster is on a given forum, but common sense dictates a "buyer beware" attitude when soliciting advice from the Internet. So touches to a forum application such as the title system merely adds a little flavor to the community. ;)

[KidNV]

Walt,
Junior Member, simply means you aint talked enuff yet, to be sumthin else..

[rigandig]

walt, even if the person on here was experienced,ie; 10 years in the IUOE, or years as a "tech" for a dealer, or perhaps someone that works as a drywall hanger for a living, they should be made to feel welcome. the system used as JB has stated is for fun etc. as deas plant said, it doesn't take to long to figure it out . these pics show what is apparently how not to do it, all part of someones experience process. :D rigandig

[rigandig]

walt, here's some more.

[rigandig]

and some more

[rigandig]

and that's all folks.

[Northart]

Hello Rigandig,

My intent is not to make anyone unwelcome, for challenging ,the title thing . To me, it is insulting for someone to be given, a title of Catskinner, Foreman that never has been one !

How ridiculous ! This says any BB poster that acquires so many post is deemed to be one !

For us that have spent our lives in performing the work is denigrated. Cheapened in other words.

That's why I say dump this BB title thing , for marketing purposes ! We got along fine without it, on the previous BB. Now it's just to create chit chat ! And put a simple Occupation Title, by the posters handle. Forget the flair for theatrics,comical aspect.

Also restore the Emoticons of "Crying", "Applauding", "Smoking or Thinking" which were more applicable to the emotions.

I appreciate and value people, Identifying themselves as to Occupation: Real College Degree Engineers, Salespeople, Mechanics,Ranchers, Farmers, Loggers,Dealers, Parts People,Operators, Restoration People, Contractors, Owners,Electricians, Enthusiasits, Students,Novice, etc.,

Whatever level YOU ARE. Just having an interest in Caterpillar, Antiques, History,Products,etc . I personally Welcome Everyone.

Let the viewers describe Themselves for the audience !:D

[Willie]

I agree with Nortart no rewards for how much you post, some of the highest posters on the old BB post just to see their name up and make it sound like they have 100 yrs of exp. opperating ,wrenching and hauling Antique Caterpillars. When in fact they have very little hands on, what they know they have read or heard from someone else. Im bringing it to GWH and Jeff Huff asking them that only icon we show is that user is a paid up member in good standing with ACMOC all other who use site for free will be nothing or maybe label them as they are FREELOADERS :p

[Northart]

Hello Willie,

I always welcome your posts ! This is just a marketing gimmick ( the titles below a members name for number of posts, ) .

Reminds me of the Encyclopedia Salesman, Fuller Brush Salesman, Watkins Dealer, Tupperware Parties, etc.

I just don't think we need to participate in market gimmicks to promote the ACMOC !

Faithfull promotion of Antiquities of the Past is the more responsible way to go ! Reminders for the Future generations !

[Delta Dirt]

ain't got no problem with being a "junior member" here----I've been a "junior" for over 63 years. My dad was the "senior"----and my son is the "third".;) :D

Looks like ol' RiganDig has about covered most of my expertise---thanks for not showing the worst of it Rig.:cool:

In reality---I've never paid much attention to the titles anyway (bulletin boards or real life). Some boards have them---some don't; some people can back up their talk----some can't; and it normally don't take too long to sort them out. You can always check out a user's profile to see how active a poster he is----if that's what you are interested in. Truth of the matter---there are probably numerous highly knowledgeable "Caterpillar" people out there that have never even accessed one of the Cat boards.

I would enjoy the old board's smiles (or at least a broader selection than what is now offered)----but that's not a big deal for right now either.

But, I do say----let's give Joe time to get everything up and running---then he can do a little fine tuning as time allows. There are people still trying to register and gain access that are in the "waiting queque" (based on messages being left over on ACME).

We need to remember that we are dealing with just a hobby for the most of us----and the basic nuts and bolts of the new board is way yonder ahead of the old board.;)

Delta Dirt

[Joe_Black]

Northart: The "Junior Poster" is a system default. That's just how it comes and neither I nor ACMOC have put it in place. When I installed the forum it wasn't critical, so I haven't adjusted it nor turned it off. There are many, many features of this NEW forum that will be adjusted to suit the membership at large.

As for additional emoticons, that too will be edited and added to as time goes on. Right now my greatest focus is getting all the registrations processed and helping as much as possible with the transition.

Everyone's suggestions are welcome, but please exercise patience. You are being heard but it will be some time for the dust to settle and things to get fine-tuned. ;)

[Northart]

Hello JB,

ON the Job, I gotta react quickly to existing conditions ! So should you, be able to .

Please turn off ( adjust) the "Titles" if you have the power to do so .

This program (feature) did not exist on the previous BB. I see NO redeeming social or expertise value in it !

Just a marketing Gimmick ! Same as with the "Eek" and "Stick out tongue" emoticons that are for the juveniles !

Another feature ( Emoticons) that needs a poll for acceptance !

[Warren]

On some bulletin boards that use this very same software the administrator has left it up to the individual to choose his own tile, it is accessed through the user CP. Thank God Joe had not given us that option. Who knows what grandiose titles some of you might come up with.

[OzDozer]

On some bulletin boards that use this very same software the administrator has left it up to the individual to choose his own tile, it is accessed through the user CP. Thank God Joe had not given us that option. Who knows what grandiose titles some of you might come up withOooohh .. Warren .. you really know how to hit a guy below the belt, don't you?? .. :D ;) :p

[Deas Plant.]

Hi. OzDozer - Junior Member.
Welcome to ACMOC's new board, courtesy of Joe Black's efforts and expertise. And thank you, Joe.

I must confess that I am a bit with Northart on the validity of the titles and the fact that you get'em just by the number of posts that you put up and not by the number of years thatchyer backside has been gathering callouses and/or the number of machines that you have/can run effectively or your ability to repair what some heavy-fisted malcontent may have broke or that has just plain wore out.

HOWEVER, having said the above, how honest are some people going to be about the justice/truth/deservedness of their claims to whatever title they may wish to lay claim to? How well does the old 'honesty box' system work today? And who's the judge?

You all have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

[Joe_Black]

Hello JB,

ON the Job, I gotta react quickly to existing conditions ! So should you, be able to .

Please turn off ( adjust) the "Titles" if you have the power to do so .

This program (feature) did not exist on the previous BB. I see NO redeeming social or expertise value in it !

Just a marketing Gimmick ! Same as with the "Eek" and "Stick out tongue" emoticons that are for the juveniles !

Another feature ( Emoticons) that needs a poll for acceptance !
First off, this isn't my job. It's my hobby that I pursue with great interest and passion which led me to put forth the efforts I have on the Internet to support the community. Second, I can turn it off, but will only do so at the behest of ACMOC. So address your local chapter and run it up through the chain of command. Thirdly, before lableing something you don't understand as a "marketing gimmick" take a little time to research your argument so you'll be more effectively informed. Here's all you'll need to know about the software used on this forum: www.vbulletin.com (http://www.vbulletin.com)

Thank you,

Joe Black

[gwhdiesel75]

First, I want to thank ringading (sp?) for posting those very unusual photos. The one that appears to record people in the most compromising position is the landing jet airplane - note the runway workers looking up in disbelief as the plane begins to touch down. Amazing photos!

As for Northart and others who are experienced operators of Caterpillar machines: I admire those of you who can operate these machines and repair them. I come to this hobby with no experience. But I like to be around the equipment, and I'm in this hobby for fun. By being in the club, I'm not pretending to be something other than what I am: an observer, who owns a few Cats, and often has to have help to get the pony engines going. I don't have mechanical skill, I don't have a lot of strength, but I enjoy the machines.

I hope those like Northart do not "look down" on folks like me, but if they do, that is their problem.

I am aware that one of the reasons I lost the election for the board of directors a couple of years ago was that I was not known as a Cat operator. In my humble opinion, it is a mistake to evaluate the value of a person by how he makes his living or his skill at operating Caterpillar equipment. If you were hiring me to operate equipment, that would be a proper criterion. If you were hiring me for the board of directors, then the proper criterion would be (among others) whether or not I knew how to run a non-profit operation. Those are different skills from operating a bulldozer.

So Northart and others, I wish I had your skills. But I'm in the hobby, and people like me ought to be welcomed - and maybe taught more about operating and repairing and maintaining the equipment.

GWH

[Willie]

Northart: Im not so sure about the marketing asspect but it does encourage some to make posts about things they really have little or no hands on exp. they get their info from a Cat Inc. book as it is the gospel.
Deas; Im not seeing what your saying fits in this at all, this tractor collecting hobby is full of dishonest buyers and sellers.
The purpose of this site if for gathering info on restoration & parts along with preserving the history of Best, Holt and pre 1960 Caterpillar machinery & equip.And to share stories & experiances about those topics. Everytime we allow discussion about repairing and parts of post 1960 Cat Equip we are breaking or agreement with Cat Inc.and putting our right to use Caterpillar name and to reproduce pre 1960 parts,models and litrerature in jeprody.
An example would be on top of Joes website thers 3 pics being used with out permission or credits, those pics are property of Cat Inc. they are protected by Pat. and copywright laws permision to use them has to be granted by Cat Inc. ohter then personal use such as ACMOC and a few pulblishers. just beacuase we buy the book dosnt give us right to repo any of its contents, This may well comeback to haunt him and possablly cost him money someday. How do you think ACMOC got moved to Peoria under the big thunb of Cat Inc. it sure wasnt because the founders wanted it that way, but it does have its upsides allso, like legally being able to do what we do.

[Willie]

GWH; I for sure am one of those who would NOT hire you as and opperator LOL, But do enjoy helping you and others master that skill. Its something that dosnt take much education but does take good common sense and lots of practice and its very had to get much practice if you only get to do it at a few shows a yr, thats where those of us have the advantage of being around them all our lives. Thats why I allways welcome people to stop by my place learn the basics and go out in the field and get some stick time in.
But you also have your expertese, After attending a BoD meeting I admire the way you keep things in order and on track. also along with others getting our club back in shape I for one thank you for your dedication and hard work with ACMOC

[ccjersey]

I think there's room for all on the board, Whatever their "title". I do think the titles are a little "tongue in cheek" and could be replaced with a number of posts/percentage of posts number. As DeltaDirt says, there's plenty of real life experts out there both on the board and off and there's also folks who learned a few lessons last week. Sometimes it's the one who learned a thing last week who answers a question or wants to put up pictures of their new toy, and sometimes it's the real life collector/owner/operator/mechanic/engineer who wants to answer a question. More often than not it's those with time to sit down at the computer who respond while others are too busy making a living or working on "stuff" to respond in a timely manner, and there's not any problem or solution to that. I can say from experience that it's frustrating when no one answers your question for a few days (or longer)and I have to say that that doesn't happen very often on either of these CAT boards:D

As for wrong information from some inexperienced/waco list member, Usually when I see something that I disagree with, I'm more likely to post a response so there's a difference of opinion in the replies so the original poster and anyone reading along the thread will at least know there's a possiblility of the original opinion being off base. When others chime in with their two bits it gets to the point where it should be obvious if there's a right answer in there anywhere.

My two bits

[Willie]

The little things on this BB arnt as important to me is a good archives with info on questions that are asked over and over can be found easly looked up, like torque specs ,year models and paid avdertising for ACMOC suporters to sell the Antique Cat related items (Hahn,Rankin,Lougean,Holt of Calif&others)these guys are allways donating thier products or srvices to our cause and deserve our supot also not those who get all the free ads here and dont give squat, along with so much other stuff that members need

[KidNV]

well here it goes again..

First off, JB, you did an excellant job, as always, Yes there are some minor tune-ups required, as is usual when things are still a work in progress. BUT, evidently, you didnt do your admin thing to satisfaction. As witnessed by others, that you didnt do a complete and thorough background on each applicant to this new BB. It would seem, that unless you have the 'appropriate' credentials, ones' input would probably not be worth much of anything here.

I personally think it humerous that Willie is a junior member now. Especially since I know him, and his capacities. He's a great guy, willing to help when he can (and he has). The titles are basically for fun, and a level(or idea) of how many posts(hopefully helpful) that someone has done. Hopefully most people are smart enough to figure out whether the posts are BS or not. I, like DD, do not measure a person by his so-called legitimate title, but by their experiences and personal merit. I know legitimate DRs and Surgeons, that cant do a lowly EMTs job of saving someones' life at an accident scene, as they dont have the nurses and fancy equipment there, to re-start someones pulse and breathing. So, I dont really believe being an 'official' operating engineer really qualifies one to be the only expert in providing the 'official' advise on restoring equipment, that they have probably never even operated.

I, am just a lowly, learning, person interested in restoring cats and other equipment for a hobby. I am not a totally all-around qualified operating engineer, who knows everything. I do however, know how to completely tear apart an old D4(RD4) cat, and put her back together. Something I think most current qualified D11R operators and cat service techs dont know how to do. I also know where to get most parts for the old antique cats, that your qualified cat parts salesman can't and/or wont get for you. At least I will try.

I also, am not one to force my personal beliefs on someone else. If I dont like the way something is, I dont demand(!) everything changes for me. I either ignore what I dont like and use what I do, or find another place that better suits me. These attitudes of, if you don't do things my way, you're not good enough,, need to stop. It just fosters bad relations and tensions between all. It is what, I believe, has happened in the past on the previous version of this BB,, and I would hate to see it all start over on this version, when there are so many new chances for greater possibilities here. I, and I know others, went to the other board just because of the bickering, in-fighting, and self-serving attitudes of the past. We just didnt feel welcome anymore, and our info needed or appreciated. It would seem, that this is starting again already, and that's sad. I really hope this gets turned around soon, so that ACMOC membership might pick up.

But me; KidNV-junior member(and not bothered by it), cellular phone system tech, raised in a JD store from age 7 putting together tractors, machinery, equipment and re-building them, and raised around a farm, former frozen chicken delivery driver, former coal hauler, former truck driver coast-coast for 8 yrs hauling everything you could get on a truck, EMT/FF for 3yrs, now a volunteer FF, former computer tech, former electrician(couple yrs), former 2way radio tech, and person who has had many other odd jobs that have helped me to learn many ways to do things,, have rebuilt/restored a 1936 Cat RD4 from the ground up, as well as a 1933 Onan 3Kw generator... with no 'official' operating engineer or other type status.. am going back to the other(ACME) BB, where my posts (whether helpful info, or just in kinship) seem to be appreciated.

If anyone really needs my lowly, non-qualified help or info, then they are welcome to come over to the ACME BB and ask me, as I will be glad to do what I can. As for over here, well, I might look from time to time, but will no longer post here, or even join up. I dont need to be part of a club where some aren't good enough because their stinkin title doesnt say so. My username here can be deleted, if so deemed by the 'official' qualified operating engineer types here. My response seem a bit rash? Maybe, but look at the response to a man's simple question of what the funny labels meant..

GWH, good luck buddy, I have a feeling you'll need it..

[Catman]

KidNV nice words, I am still waiting to meet Willie in Person, and I am Still Waiting for Willie to Help Me :) . Being a Junior Member does feel nice, People tell me I anit getting any younger ( too much hard work).

I am Catman and Louis will always be Jnr CM LOL, my Father will always be Snr Catman LOL.

you gota remember the Ozdozer is the Master of all Knowledge :) on the ACME ;)

The ACMOC BB needs a little Light Humour :D I think we need a BAR Area for those of us who can Chill Out :- or even an Area Called CHILL OUT

Cat Power - The Greatest :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItHkO-giOdE&mode=related&search=

Cat Power - Lived in Bars :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuXTBKVos_M&mode=related&search=

[trakman]

Just think, this all started with the question "What do these mean?" and look how it has developed into a full blown fire fight! Junior Member suits me just fine...whether I post 4 times or 4,000.

[TractorDon]

Joe, i for one here, and many others just appreciate what you have done so far. I can't believe this has turned into such a seemingly big issue over such a trivial thing.
Lighten up Northart, nobody is getting paid according to their number of posts Don

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[Northart]

Hello, Tractor Don, GWH, JB, KidNV, and others that don't agree.

I know this is a Democracy, Free Speech ! People trying to smother me by castigation ?? So disagree so what !

Not a Mutual Admiration Society, till the bugs get worked out. Then Brag about it.

I just want to say the "Titles" are Redundant, A Sales Gimmick that want you to come back and post, over and over, to get to the next level. Baloney . We already have a track recording of posts,views and replies ! Which is more relevant.

Let the posters describe their background. Who cares what level they are on , at least they are intersted in Caterpillar Antiques and products.

If they are a novice (1st time ) or ardent Student so what ! This not an argument about who knows more ! But trying to IDentify the level of Interest and expertise, is !

What it does it help ACMOC reponders to answer their ? better. Less detail or more detail ?

I say let's eliminate the "titles" . Who needs ( wants) them ?

[RKO]

I can not understand what A FEW on this forum are complaining about. I look at both sites and it was not hard to register on this new board. It took about 12 hours to get approved. I'm glad they are trying to do something about protecting The forum along with our identity and e-mail.

What is the big deal about the Junior Member? Are people that insecure with them selves? Like little kids, my caterpillar is bigger than yours. I guess some people just have to complain? I think Joe Black should be THANKED instead of getting all the complaining. I don't see anyone else doing it, I know I do not want to create this new forum. I just what to take this time to thank Joe Black and everyone else that works so hard to keep this type of forum/board going. If it was not for them we would not even have a spot to talk about this. I have almost forty years operating and repair heavy equipment and learn something new everyday, Am I more experienced than someone with 30 years? How about someone with fifty years? I think everyone has something to contribute to this site no matter how much experience. If we rate people on how much experience, do we also rate people on how much equipment they own?, How big of equipment? Or how much money their company is worth? Who is going to rate everyone? and what are the qualifications? Can someone with a "Junior Membership" post a reply? No one knows everything, that is why we need everyone. Everyone on this forum has a chance to have a great new place to talk about Caterpillar Equipment and Other Heavy Equipment, nothing is perfect but this board is close so lets let them have a chance.

My Grandmother had a saying " someone who talks all the time never learns anything, because all they hear is what they are saying and they already know that".
Thank YOU Joe Black
Ron

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[Northart]

RKO,

Read my post , it's a redundant feature !

A title for posts, on the right hand side !

Here we are trying to boost the quality of pictures, & text for the readers, and we got this junk, gimmicks taking up bandwidth continually !

So we are supposed to cut the quality of pictures and text, to have this advertisment of the reader ??

Obviously we are looking at it from totally different reads.

[Deas Plant.]

Hi, Folks.
First up, please don't get me wrong. I am very pleased to have both BB's up and running and I will be eternally grateful to the people responsible for them. I don't come to either of them to criticise or belittle anything. I hope that all my comments are constructive.

Willie, when I said that allowing people to choose their own descriptor would possibly bring up questions of honesty, I was not saying that such a thing could not work. I acknowledge that the the question of honesty applies to pretty much all walks and aspects of life and I would point out that the dishonest ones usually are sorted out fairly quickly, although not necessarily without some pain sometimes. I have no doubt that the sorting out process will work here too.

GWH, I would never knowingly criticise somebody who is learning to operate for not being able to operate. I have helped my fair share of beginners improve their skills over the last 40+ years and I am eternally grateful to those who took the time to help me improve my skills along the way. And after those above-mentioned 40+ years, I am STILL learning.

On top of which, you have already earned my respect for numerous things that you have done and said over the last few years. You have been a constructive and conciliatory influence on both BB's for quite a while, not to mention the many fine photos and commentaries that you have posted. When you last scratched or cut yourself, what colour came out? LOL.

For mine, the main purpose of all BB's such as these two is the dissemination of information and to provide a place where the less well-informed - and sometimes even the more well-informed - can access that information. The sharing of experiences, opinions and photos is one part of that purpose. The frills and fripparies are incidental.

Each of us is entitled to our views and opinions and I hope that each of us will be tolerant enough and mature enough to allow others the same rights/priveleges that we ourselves so enjoy. Denigration and belittlement serve no good purpose.

You all have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

[JoeG]

I can't believe the size of this post, the ACMOC membership is finally given a fast and reliable BB system and right away there is something to argue about. It is amazing to see so much controversy over something so trivial. Titles mean nothing to me, operator or otherwise I have seen many bestowed with a title that they weren't worthy of and seen other less titled people surpass them in every way. I don't care who you are or what you have done, just as long as you are involved this is the place to talk to others involved with antique cats.

Northart I have great respect for your opinion I just happen to think there are bigger fish to fry at the moment. Being in the trade myself I know what you mean about adjusting for conditions, although I don't have the years of experience you have a little patience would be in order here, anyone who gets to know you knows you are a good hand, and you shouldn't worry about people not picking up on that, we do.

I have never met Joe Black but I know this, one thing you will always get with Joe Black is the truth, he minces no words, he is honest, hardworking, loyal to the cause, and just a good guy to have at the helm of a project or undertaking such as this. His track record is proven, and he is the right guy to keep the ship afloat.

[Warren]

Oooohh .. Warren .. you really know how to hit a guy below the belt, don't you?? ..


Heh Heh OzD. I was not specifically targeting you mate, But, if the shoe fits .........:D

Although, since you bring it up it is kind of amusing seeing the Master referred to as a Junior Member:rolleyes:


I see this post has ballooned into another round of belly aching, will it ever end? ( the belly aching that is. I am sure this post will end)

[7upuller]

What does it mean?

If the idea is to show how many times or how active a member is at posting, then change the title/label to just that. Let the acknowledgement of the amount of posts read "junior poster", or "chief poster", then maybe, "Master @ Posting". Some good members who give much time at events, they are always willing to good for the ACMOC, and promote the true meaning of this club, may enjoy the BB, but just don't like to post. To degrade ones membership by rank, just because one does not post, is the wrong thing to do.

As for experience, I have been around Cats all my life. I've operated them. I served an apprenticeship in the Local 3. Then went on to be a journey man, to foreman, to superintendent, and owner of a engineering company. What's funny is, that when it comes to my experience towards the membership, or skills at restoring old Cats, I am a Junior Member. It is a new found pleasure in life for me. I really get a lot out of bringing a old Cat back to life. I am not a mechanic by any means, but I really enjoy getting my fingers dirty.

I have enjoyed the fact, that his forum provides a place for every one to post their views. As long as the general Masters @ Posting don't attack or belittle others, I enjoy reading one's opinion.

Joe Black thank you for your efforts. I do know how much times projects for clubs can take. All this web stuff is way over my head, but I thank you for your time. I have given endless hours for clubs at activities, only to here complaints, and it gets old, so thank you. Listen and :D .

[B4D2]

For anyone who has thier panties in a knot over the "junior member" status, just keep posting. I think the default is 20 posts then you become elevated to another "title". ACME started out with "greenhorn". Big deal!! I know we asked questions then, but it certainly wasn't contentious. We were having fun and most of us already knew each other from the previous boards.

PS, JB, if you want me to send you a couple of my personal pictures of MY caterpillar tractors that I own the rights to for you to post on the header of the other board, I would be happy to allow you to do so. Caterpillar doesn't own the rights for MY tractor or the intellectual and artistic rights from my photographs that I take.

[Joe_Black]

Thanks Bruce, we're fully in compliance with all copyright laws at ACME. I take my "due diligence" research seriously. ;)

[7upuller]

Al Letts, is the first to become a member. :)