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    Default 36B Move

    Got the 36B which was featured on a thread a few weeks back. It was being pulled by 33 mules. That was the early 80's.

    Combine suffered a collapse of a building on it but for the most part was not hurt too bad. Except for the clean grain elevator I think most of it is fixable.

    As must be obvious it needs tires and a fixed tongue. The tongue can be found locally I think but finding tires may be a little hassle.

    I have the drapers and a second engine, however although I have yet to start this one I think it is fine.

    The header cart has both tires blown as well.

    I think a few strokes of the paint gun we gotter made!!

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    The sun sets quietly behind the golden hill. The giant green separator in the shade of a huge walnut tree is patiently waiting for itís header. The restful rattle of the powerfull Cat diesel gives way to the continuity of silence now only broken by a murder of crows scrabbling mostly about nonsense.

    The early morning cool silence is broken by the staccato rapping of a starting engine bringing the 9U to life. Thus the start of many hours of contemplation in cadence to the cluck cluck of the silvery chrome plates walking past.
    John Liebermann
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    Default Prose.

    Your prose at the end is even more artful than the photos. Outstanding mental imagery!

    Glad you got the No. 36, too. It looks real nice and no doubt you'll have her up and ready to earn her keep again soon.

    Pete.

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    Hey John, I"m pretty sure I've got everything you need for the combine, not sure on the header wheels. Come over before the snow flies and we can take a look. It's a great feeling getting them home isn't it?

    Bruce P
    Two Ton, Diesel 35, Diesel 40, No.11 AutoPatrol ,(3) 4G D4's, 5U D2, 17R D6C, 9G D7, 7M D7

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    Looks good,never saw one with the mule skinner seat out front.


    I don't know your plans,but putting it on steel wheels would end flat tires. In the day dad had rubber tires on his,but in the 70's put a steel wheel on the header side. Still pulled it 10 miles from my uncles place to home and back on the black top till almost 1980.


    If you strike out on parts near home let me know as I still have a parts machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garlic Pete View Post
    Your prose at the end is even more artful than the photos. Outstanding mental imagery!

    Glad you got the No. 36, too. It looks real nice and no doubt you'll have her up and ready to earn her keep again soon.

    Pete.
    Thankyou GP, i wrote that in response to our book club where we all were supposed to explain from where we came. You can probably tell I look back to those days with love and nostalgia.

    Although I still have some recollection of pulling up some hot old draw with chaff and sometimes tarweed driving you crazy.
    John Liebermann
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce P View Post
    Hey John, I"m pretty sure I've got everything you need for the combine, not sure on the header wheels. Come over before the snow flies and we can take a look. It's a great feeling getting them home isn't it?

    Bruce P
    Thank you Bruce, unfortunately I am out of time this Fall. i will be back in the Spring and then will appreciate very much your help.

    I really enjoyed visiting with you and look forward to a continuing close relationship.

    I think from what I see of your projects you move much faster than I am capable.

    Yes I agree I am so glad to get it home, however I must build some protection for it. My barn was made only for cows and horses with a hayloft which makes it too low to store the combine.

    Next Summer is going to be busy for sure.
    John Liebermann
    2 9U's, 5J, IHC544, Ford860, (All working farm tractors)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray54 View Post
    Looks good,never saw one with the mule skinner seat out front.


    I don't know your plans,but putting it on steel wheels would end flat tires. In the day dad had rubber tires on his,but in the 70's put a steel wheel on the header side. Still pulled it 10 miles from my uncles place to home and back on the black top till almost 1980.


    If you strike out on parts near home let me know as I still have a parts machine.
    Thank you Ray for your offer of help. As I said to Bruce I am essentially out of the picture for now but will certainly need all the help I can get next year. Thanks again.

    The "ladder" as we called it was on all the horse/mule drawn machines so far as I know. Different than wagons, there were only two lines to drive these hitches. I think most hitches were made up of 5 rows of 6 with three out front making 33 all driven with two lines.
    John Liebermann
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    I knew the basic of the driver out over the teams as the only old farming photo from my family is of grandpa driving 33 horses on a ground drive sidehill harvester on the east side of Paso Robles from 1915 or there about. I have no idea what make the combine is but Holt would be one of the more likely brands. The teams used here where jerk line (one line to lead horse, no rein control of any of the other horses) My grandpa was right handed but was noted for his left handed throwing of rocks as well as his ability with a bull whip to keep all the horses pulling there part of the load.

    My father was not happy to get promoted from 12 horses to a Cat 35 diesel in the fall of 34. I didn't know all of this until dad was way up in years and didn't get to know my grandfather as he died when I was 7. But thank you John for all your efforts to keep history alive.


    Now you have me wondering how many variations of the Holt/John Deere 36,and 36b there where with accommodation for a teamster driving platform, as well as sacking of grain rather than a bulk tank. Did any of the makers of the bigger combines do away with the front wheel in this aura. Because in the 1960's what pulled combines where in us here had been modified to hitch directly to a Cat of the size to handle the weight.

    From little bits of history sacking of grain was the most popular way to handle grain in California until WW2 and shortages of jute to make burlap sacks from and then man power to move them. Anyone from the Pacific Northwest have a idea about there. I think sacking of grain off a combine was not done in the Midwest because of weather conditions there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cojhl2 View Post
    Thank you Bruce, unfortunately I am out of time this Fall. i will be back in the Spring and then will appreciate very much your help.

    I really enjoyed visiting with you and look forward to a continuing close relationship.

    I think from what I see of your projects you move much faster than I am capable.

    Yes I agree I am so glad to get it home, however I must build some protection for it. My barn was made only for cows and horses with a hayloft which makes it too low to store the combine.

    Next Summer is going to be busy for sure.
    Sounds good. It's been outside, so one more winter probably won't kill it. I'll get over to where my 36's are and check on tires. It was good visiting with you as well, come back anytime.

    Ray, I'm not sure when they stopped sacking here, but I imagine as soon as they had halfway decent trucks they went bulk. Like mid to late 30's. At the museum in WallaWalla, there is a piece that tells about the inmates at the state prison there making wheat sacks.

    BP
    Two Ton, Diesel 35, Diesel 40, No.11 AutoPatrol ,(3) 4G D4's, 5U D2, 17R D6C, 9G D7, 7M D7

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    Default Sacking off a machine

    My first field job(truck spotter, previously I ran our elevator), was in 1951. The person for whom I worked had grown up with the horse/mule drawn machines and sacking. In order to show me what that was all about we put the sack chute on the 51 and cut 40ac of tripplett, another experience he wanted to show me.

    Anyway my job was jigging and he did the sowing. Wow, it is really something to see an experienced sack sower applying his talent.

    Ray I know nothing about the transition from sacking to bulk but would agree with Bruce just because I recollect the 'seniors" talking at the dinner table. I don't know how on a 36 it was possible to sack and unlike a 51 have a bulk tank also. Maybe the bulktank did not exist on a 36 when sacking.

    As for the wheel I want it off this machine. I never pulled with a wheel and have no idea how to navigate a steep uphill corner when a backaround is necessary.

    My Aunt Margaret (deceased) used to talk about the kids job riding thru the field on a saddle horse to find any strings of sacks missed by the pickup crew. Picking those sacks and loading on a wagon had to be a backbreaking job.

    A few years back I gave the last of our sack hauling wagons away probably should have kept it although it is at a good home with person from whom I got this combine.
    John Liebermann
    2 9U's, 5J, IHC544, Ford860, (All working farm tractors)
    cojhl2@gmail.com

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