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D7 7m engine oil loss

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bigaD7
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I have a D7 that I operated this weekend at the 100+ Years of Progress show. After operating for a few hours Saturday and shut down I checked the oil Sunday and the pony engine was way overfull and the big engine was bad low I drained the pony down and added oil to the big engine and it did the same thing again. How can the diesel engine oil get into the pony and overfill it by more than a gallon? Also the pony clutch housing is dry so it'snot coming from the main clutch housing. So the rear main seal has not failed.
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Wed, Nov 8, 2017 7:11 AM
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Not familiar with that block, but, with the pony removed is there a small access plate on the diesel engine skirt? Loose or missing bolts there would explain it
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Wed, Nov 8, 2017 8:23 AM
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Not familiar with that block, but, with the pony removed is there a small access plate on the diesel engine skirt? Loose or missing bolts there would explain it
I don't know the book doesn't show anything except that the pony block goes against the main case to have the back section of the pony.
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Wed, Nov 8, 2017 8:39 AM
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I don't know the book doesn't show anything except that the pony block goes against the main case to have the back section of the pony.
My engine appears to be completely self contained and does have a separate dip stick. That is why I am puzzled by it. If it was like your 17A I could sorta understand. Aaron
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Wed, Nov 8, 2017 8:46 AM
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My engine appears to be completely self contained and does have a separate dip stick. That is why I am puzzled by it. If it was like your 17A I could sorta understand. Aaron
Have you ever had the pony motor off? That shared wall is where the patch goes if either the main or pony throws a rod.
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Wed, Nov 8, 2017 10:19 AM
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Have you ever had the pony motor off? That shared wall is where the patch goes if either the main or pony throws a rod.
maybe gas leaking into the pony crankcase , diesel some other issue ?
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Wed, Nov 8, 2017 9:43 PM
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Have you ever had the pony motor off? That shared wall is where the patch goes if either the main or pony throws a rod.
maybe gas leaking into pony crankcase , diesel some other issue ?
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Wed, Nov 8, 2017 9:45 PM
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maybe gas leaking into pony crankcase , diesel some other issue ?
I have not pulled the pony engine off to see if the is a patch behind it in the main block. It is not gas getting into the engine also.
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Thu, Nov 9, 2017 8:15 AM
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I have not pulled the pony engine off to see if the is a patch behind it in the main block. It is not gas getting into the engine also.
I can't think of any other way oil could transfer other than through the pony transmission coming from the main flywheel housing but you state the pony clutch housing is dry so that kills that route.
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Thu, Nov 9, 2017 1:48 PM
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I can't think of any other way oil could transfer other than through the pony transmission coming from the main flywheel housing but you state the pony clutch housing is dry so that kills that route.
The main flywheel housing is, or should be dry on a D7 of this vintage, take the cover off and look inside.
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Thu, Nov 9, 2017 3:26 PM
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The main flywheel housing is, or should be dry on a D7 of this vintage, take the cover off and look inside.
Yes the master clutch should be dry, and depending on the SN it might even be open. Mine is. I think I would do the following.

Remove the plug from the pony clutch, make sure the Diesel oil is at the proper level, start the Diesel then drain the pony oil. They don’t hold much, then you could observe the volume of oil entering the pony crankcase. If there’s no oil dripping from the Clutch then you’d know you have a hole in the block of some sort.

Perhaps it’s a block repair from the past that’s failed. Keep us posted whatever you find.

Good luck

Bruce P.
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Thu, Nov 9, 2017 7:40 PM
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