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Piston Clearance on D4600

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2 years 11 months ago - 2 years 11 months ago #228299 by Old Magnet
From what info I have these old units run about 17:1 compression.
I get most of my bearing interchange numbers from one of these manuals. From there you can get into other brand names such as SKF , Timken, etc.
The bargains can then be found on ebay once you have the manufacturer's numbers.
 
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2 years 11 months ago #228308 by sheddcanyon
The engine shop took .005" off the deck to arrive at the correct cylinder counter bore. The machinist thought we might have trouble with piston/valve clearance. He thought CAT might have published the numbers. I understand better now why using shims to adjust protrusion is the preferred method. Trouble is, no shims and paying for custom didn't make sense.

The heads were surfaced and the valve seats were reground to spec so we should be right on valve protrusion. I'm close to having the crank and pistons back in the block. I'll report progress. I'm hoping we don't have to shave piston tops.

Thanks for all the help!

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2 years 11 months ago #228318 by Old Magnet
If all they took off is 0,005" I doubt there will be a problem.

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2 years 11 months ago #228323 by edb
Replied by edb on topic Piston Clearance on D4600
Hi Team,
since 0.005" was removed from the block deck you will need to re-check and adjust your liner spacer shims to achieve the required liner protrusion as outlined in the 3304/6 engine method/scan below that holds true for all Cat counterbore liner equipped engines or you may have excessive liner protrusion and when the head is torqued down the liner seats can be cracked--if they are not already after all these years-- rendering the cylinder block un-useable without major expensive modification.
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Eddie B.
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2 years 11 months ago #228325 by Old Magnet
As I understand it the 0.005" was removed from the block to "back into" the correct liner projection without obtaining non available shims.

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2 years 11 months ago #228328 by D4Jim
Replied by D4Jim on topic Piston Clearance on D4600
Holy Moly this gets complicated for an old shade tree mechanic to comprehend!! So if I understand this correctly if one cannot get the proper shims to adjust the height to .002 to .0056 then one has to machine the counterbore a few thousandths to allow the shims to get to the proper height? Are all the shim sizes still available from Cat or aftermarket?

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2 years 11 months ago #228329 by sheddcanyon
OM, that's correct. The deck was ground to make the protrusion right. I now have a uniform .004-.005" liner protrusion, 1-6.

I hope that's the first time the block's been ground. I know the engine has been rebuilt at least twice. There's a rebuild tag on the block showing the main and rod journals were still standard. When I disassembled, the main and rod journals were .030" under.

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2 years 11 months ago #228330 by sheddcanyon
"Are all the shim sizes still available from Cat or aftermarket?"

D4 Jim, I did not find any shims, Cat or aftermarket. I found a place in Atlanta that might make custom shims, but the engine shop wouldn't take the job unless they could clean up the counter bore and then set the protrusion by lowering the deck. But my problem was that not only was the protrusion at the minimum, they were very uneven and I'd have .002" difference from one side of the cylinder to the other.

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2 years 11 months ago #228331 by PhilC
Replied by PhilC on topic Piston Clearance on D4600
Were you able to find crank bearings to suit? I have two D4600's that I can't get bearings for. Not even sure what material they are made of.

From what I can find in the book there are no shims on the old D4600. Cat simply says they should protrude slightly above the block so there is pressure on both the gaskets when the head is torqued down. Shims are easily cut out of sheets of shim material if you can't get them precut.

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2 years 11 months ago #228347 by sheddcanyon
Phil, I was able to get after market .030" main and rod bearings from Florin Tractor. Dana also had after market cam bearings. The existing ones were fairly galled up, and since I'm in there...

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