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Crank Starting - Safety

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1 year 2 months ago #245200 by ctsnowfighter
Recent post in "photos from By-gone era" shows a fellow standing on the crank of a Best Thirty.
Many of the people entering the Caterpillar Antique Machinery adventure grew up with engines equipped with electric starters -- turn key- push button.
The proper use of a CRANK is a practiced and learned procedure.

Some thoughts  - hopefully they will help and possibly prevent a trip to the emergency room!

Remember - the shorter the throw of a crank, the faster it comes around - and no matter the length - the impacts are often life changing events!  
      NEVER - NEVER wrap your thumb around the handle of a crank or a starting bar! 
      NEVER - NEVER push down on the crank/bar, if it does kick, you are caught without any possible escape.  Your body will be directly over that item!
      Always keep by-standers and observers out of the path of the crank or in case of starting bar, that line of travel.  (Same applies to the circle of the rope as it comes off the flywheel)
      NEVER -NEVER wrap a rope around your hand or wrist - same goes with pulling cables or chains.

Draw an imaginary circle of the throw of the crank - plan on having yourself and body parts well outside that circle and if possible leaning away from it.  Something slips you do not want to fall toward that danger zone.

RE: the picture noted
Either that fellow is a "lightweight" or there is a problem.
Even with the compression release cocks closed - one could move a thirty with that leverage on that long crank throw.
I have moved a Thirty with the crank - you certainly do not want to have any chance of it starting or firing if you try that-  Best to ensure the plug wires are not on the spark plugs!

Anyone trying to use their foot to crank an engine is asking for nothing but trouble -  the crank feels no pain!  OH yes - there are some exceptions - specifically those engines designed for foot starting - example would be Maytag washing machine and motorcycles. 

Stay Safe!  
CTS







 
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1 year 2 months ago #245215 by trainzkid88
Replied by trainzkid88 on topic Crank Starting - Safety
ive seen it go wrong crank starting engines. ive nearly been caught myself. i know someone who was it broke his wrist. done with care and proper maintenance its fairly safe. do it wrong and it hurts.

ive seen the crank handle get stuck on a 3cyl ruston diesel engine it didnt fly off luckily and the engine was stopped before it did. but it gave everyone a fright.
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1 year 2 months ago #245248 by Ray54
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I had the same thoughts as you CTS about that picture of the Cat 30.

My wife's uncle who was talented in many areas, such as a crane operator on some really big jobs, like the smoke stacks on the old PG&E power plant at Morry Bay Cal, and added a 3 speed brown transmission to his early 70's Chrysler New Yorker. In the late 1980's I helped him clean up his parents place in Atascadero Cal. Part of which was a Cat 30, plow, and grain drill he had hocked up for one pass planting. Which looked like to much load for a Cat 30 to me. With my dumbfounded look he started telling me his "improvement to said Cat 30". Maybe all made up but I saw the shift lever in the New Yorker he was driving with a large car trailer behind. He claimed to have added a bit taller piston for more compression, to pull the load. And in doing so had to jump off the track onto a extended crank handle. In my mind I could see him flying right over the top of that 30 if the timing was off. But who was I to question him as he gave a pickup load of cable chokers. Oh he did haul the Cat 30 to the Riverside area with the New Yorker and his home built trailer. And no traffic accidents with him, as his sister (my mother in law) was CHP secretary here local. She knew many things that did not make the news. He died of natural causes just few years ago in his 90's.

As per CTS instructions, my one incident with a crank was starting a RD 7 on a frosty morning. Had a short hose on fuel barrel, so pickup was close to track to pump fuel. I cranked with the quarter turn over the top. It jerked the crank out of my hand and I backed up. Hit truck and hand was still extended in front, crank hit my knuckles on top of extended hand. Still feel it 40 years plus on the right day. Not like broken arm, or worse. But always moved truck before starting after that.
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1 year 2 months ago #245251 by GrantJ
Replied by GrantJ on topic Crank Starting - Safety
When I first had my 22, I used to get it spinning pretty good with the crank.I had no idea that the impulse coupler could cause it to kick back. When you are on the bottom part of spinning the crank your head is right above the crank. I finally read the manual and found out that you put your right hand on the radiator and pull over the top
with your left. If you slip, you fall away from the crank. Much safer this way.
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1 year 2 months ago #245252 by ctsnowfighter
I learned to drive a Model T Ford Truck - and the starter was in front of the radiator. About Ten years old or so, Dad made sure I knew how to handle the crank and Spark/throttle levers. I never got hurt, crank torn out of hands a couple times, teaches you quickly to pay attention. Those old "buzz coils" were amazing, sometimes even give you a surprise!

When I started helping a neighbor with his Thirty, I learned the proper way to handle that long throw crank - Right hand on the intake to the air cleaner, right next to the radiator, and left hand pulling the crank over the top! Right hand would work as a CHOKE and if things got out of hand, you could kill it quickly by cutting off the air supply.
Years pass - many cranks, many ropes and a few starting bars. I always respected those darn mechanical bent iron starters!

There are a multitude of ways to get hurt on machines - the key in my opinion is common sense - if you do not know - find out - READ THE MANUAL - ASK THE EXPERIENCED.
then follow those instructions.

Stay Safe and "keep 'em crawlin'"
cts

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1 year 2 months ago #245333 by trainzkid88
Replied by trainzkid88 on topic Crank Starting - Safety
trembler coils. make the knees tremble. they could deliver some serious voltage.

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1 year 2 months ago #245334 by Fat Dan
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Motorcycles? Harleys in particular, back in the day sent many men over the handlebars trying to kickstart the beasts the wrong way. There are definitely techniques to manual starting any engine and if the procedures are not strictly followed injuries or worse will happen.

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1 year 2 months ago #245362 by trainzkid88
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we had a old greenfield ride on mower that was powered by a 8hp briggs that had been dusted so each time you started it you checked the fuel, cleaned the plug and topped up the oil. the damn thing your kick back slightly and rip the pull cord from your hand if you wernt careful. but it ran well and cut grass on our bush block so that was okay.

we sold it and the person we sold it to sold it and i saw it a couple of months ago still going about 8yrs later. old machines dont die they go on to have multiple lives.

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