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Cat d6b 37a

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5 years 2 weeks ago #154007 by robclay
Cat d6b 37a was created by robclay
Hi, New to forum, new to cat. My Uncle has a 60s Cat D6B with a winch, ROPS and tilt blade. I am interested in buying it but it needs some work (maybe a lot of work). It doesn't start and we think it's the injection pump, because fuel gets to the pump and a little bit past the pump to the injectors (so he told me). Needs sprockets as they have already been welded up previously. And last it ran a few years ago it would only turn in one direction (I guess something is wrong with a steering clutch??).

So I have some questions and hoping somebody could impart some wisdom.

The S/N is 37A2312.

Where is the best place to get service manuals?
Is there a service manual that covers the injection pump?
Can you tell me what year this dozer is by the SN?
Can you tell me the Engine Model?

Thanks in advance for the info. I appreciate it!

Robert

Robert

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5 years 2 weeks ago #154024 by ccjersey
Replied by ccjersey on topic Cat d6b 37a
Engine is a D333, a 4.5" bore 6 cylinder that replaced the venerable D318 in 1959 or 1960 and was developed into the d330c with an increase in bore to 4.75" by the late 60's. The D333c was replaced by/renamed the 3306 in the 1970's

The fuel system is covered in a serviceman's reference book or tech manual for the D6b tractor. This is a change from the earlier tractors that had separate engine servicemans reference books and tractor SRB. Parts books have always covered all the engine and tractor parts in one book. The winch and dozer each have their own (smaller) books separate from the tractor books.

Ebay is a good place to find both original books as well as reprints. Your CAT dealer should be able to get you a high quality reprint of all books for your tractor.

The D6b was not too much different from the late U series D6 other than the D333 engine and the hydraulic pump and valve arrangement if equipped with one. Does yours have a towing winch or a cable control unit for the dozer or scrapers etc?

Have you attempted starting the engine with ether? Do you get white smoke while cranking or not? The rack is not so simple to check on that fuel system as it was on all the older engines. if you have good fuel pressure but no smoke while cranking it is pretty likely the rack is still in shutoff position for some reason. In any case where there is a possibility of a stuck rack, it's good to make preparations to smother a runaway engine by cutting off the air intake. Usually you can remove the precleaner cap from the air filter and have a piece of board to clap over the pipe. This is faster than disconnecting the fuel line if you have prepared in advance for this possibility.

Good luck!

D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time:D

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5 years 1 week ago #154045 by robclay
Replied by robclay on topic Cat d6b 37a
I guess it'd be a towing winch as the blade has it's own 3 hydraulic cylinders.

Yes my uncle gave ether a shot, and said it hit/acted like it wanted to start. He didn't recall smoke or not.

Thanks for your reply!

Robert

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5 years 1 week ago #154052 by ccjersey
Replied by ccjersey on topic Cat d6b 37a
If it's injecting fuel during cranking, it should smoke a cloud of white smoke thick enough to kill mosquitoes!

Just about have to change the fuel filter and clean the strainer in-line ahead of it (if it has one) before you go much deeper into it. While the strainer is open, check that fuel flows out by gravity in a good stream. Sometimes the tank valve or outlet spigot is clogged. To simplify priming the fuel system after filter change etc, a section of an inner tube with the stem in it can be clamped over the tank opening and inflated until it is tense.

While cranking, you should get low pressure flow of fuel out of any loosened injector lines even if the rack is stuck in fuel off. However, if the pump plungers are stuck up and not returning to follow the base circle of the injection pump camshaft, I am not sure you would get fuel out of injector lines.

The front end of the rack is accessible through a small cover on the front surface of the pump housing just below the accessory shaft housing that bolts to the front of the pump housing. This is used to check rack travel and set the rack position to install the individual pumps in the housing with special tooling. But you can remove the cover and put a punch or screwdriver in the hole and feel the end of the rack and push it toward the rear of the engine. It should push easily and probably return weakly from the springs and weights in the governor that is attached to the opposite end. If it doesn't move easily, probably time to remove the pump housing and send it to be repaired unless spraying in the hole with penetrant and working back and forth gets it loosened up.

Again, any question as to the proper function of rack and governor and its a good idea to prepare for a runaway. They're pretty exciting!

D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time:D

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3 months 3 weeks ago #230303 by robclay
Replied by robclay on topic Cat d6b 37a
Hello, I thought it'd be funny to resurrect this old thread. After 4 years my Uncle and I were finally able to come together on a price.

I was able to get the engine running. The rack was stuck in off. Some lube and light tapping freed it up. I have a service manual, parts manual and operators manual now, but I'm looking to change the fluids and I have a few questions if anybody could offer up advice.

- The book calls for 7M3800 engine oil filters. Napa's website lists FIL1161. Does this sound alright using Napa Gold?
- I was planning on running rotella 15w-40 for the engine. Sound alright? It's what I run in all my diesel engines.

I'm a little confused on the rest of the tractor lube. The book calls for what seems to be engine oil in the flywheel clutch, steering clutch, transmission and final drives.

- For everything else but the final drives I was thinking of using universal tractor trans/hyd fluid 10w-30.
- The final drives seem like a 80w-90 gear oil would be ideal, but the book calls for sae 30, what do you all run?

Thanks for the advice.

Robert

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3 months 3 weeks ago #230331 by Ray54
Replied by Ray54 on topic Cat d6b 37a
The transmission and final drives are where we can get many different options. My machines are a model before yours, but I think very similar I use 80- 90 or 85-140 with weepy finals.

The clutch will not release good cold even on 15-40 or 30 and you get colder than I so in cold weather you might want liter. Hopefully more options will be given.
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3 months 3 weeks ago #230352 by robclay
Replied by robclay on topic Cat d6b 37a
Thanks Ray. I have noticed the clutch will not release until the tractor has warmed up a bit. Even then it is still hard to stop.

Robert

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3 months 2 weeks ago #230370 by seiscat
Replied by seiscat on topic Cat d6b 37a
Hi Robert, I had master clutch problems on our D6B. We found that the linkage for the transmission interlock and the clutch brake were worn out. We made repairs and replaced the clutch brake and the clutch performed as new.
Craig

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3 months 2 weeks ago - 3 months 2 weeks ago #230372 by seiscat
Replied by seiscat on topic Cat d6b 37a
I scanned the pages of the Operation And Maintenance Instructions book for the clutch adjustment instructions. The linkage that proved to be the problem on our D6B is shown on the second page.
               
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3 months 1 week ago - 3 months 6 days ago #230743 by robclay
Replied by robclay on topic Cat d6b 37a
Started changing fluids. Engine has a touch of fresh anti-freeze in it, the green was setting on top the oil filters when I pulled them. Not sure how much it passes or where it passes. Maybe it's a easier fix like head gasket. The oil was a little milky.  The block has always leaked externally a bit at jb welded crack in one of the cylinders.

Also was able to drain the flywheel housing and found a busted maybe bearing housing. Came right out the drain plug. I also managed to clean 8" of dirt off the bottom pan so that I could get the flywheel screen out and wash it off. It was pretty gunked up. Strange, though, there was like brass wires in the screen. Very hard to clean out. I had to pick them out.

Here's a pic of the metal ring I sorta pieced it back together. Flywheel housing seems to run fine.

 

Robert
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