GrantJ wrote:

Could someone give a run down of what requirements are the issue? I volunteer for a group that is a 501C3 and the paperwork (which I dont do) is a pain but with one member who can deal with fussy, fussy paperwork, the group runs fine. My family had a corporation for a while and it was the same sort of thing. Details and accurate book keeping make things work. As has been said, it doesnt take a genius to keep records. I hope the club rebounds and maybe the chapters that have figured out the new system can offer advice to chapters that are not doing too well. Just my 2 cents worth. Grant.

Grant I just posted a brief guide, I can provide a detailed guide to anyone. You are right, this is not that hard.
 

CRS93082 wrote:

Sasquach hit the nail right on the head. I understand the issues facing the BoD forced them to make the decisions they felt were best for the club. Whether or not those decisions were correct is yet to be seen. I am holding out hope that the club will come back to its former glory. My personal feeling is that this transition was handled very poorly. There are many variables to setting up a non-profit in the U.S. and those laws vary state to state.
It is nowhere as easy as it was made out to be. After all of the of the back and forth about what the club was going to require or not require of the chapters a deadline was imposed that was unobtainable for many of us. There was not enough time given between the final order to discuss with the membership of the chapter, consult an attorney and an accountant and then deal with all of the federal and state red tape. Our group couldn't have even gotten the paper work completed with the State of Illinois in the time allowed let alone accomplish the rest of what needed done. Add to that many members not wanting to renew their membership in ACMOC after the unprofessional tone of some of the board meetings towards former board members who I and others consider long time friends. I myself am getting tired of all of the chapters that folded being portrayed as lazy and incompetent by the current board and especially club president. That is not leadership. Previous boards made decisions that caused the financial issues. Those mistakes were not done to purposely harm the club. I have talked to many of them and they have all admitted their mistakes to me. Hide sight is 20/20. They had good intentions but took the wrong path. I am sure evryone one here has made some poor finacial decisions that looked good at the time. The current BoD has made decisions to do what they thought was best to rectify those issues. That is what they were elected to do. If you think they are in the wrong then run for the board. Going forward if the club is going to survive a lot of people including the current BoD need to stop pointing fingers and own up to their decisions. The current board handed down an order that caused 20 U.S. chapters to fold because they determined that was what was best. That is on the current BoD. Not the chapters that folded, not on the general membership. The BoD needs to own their decisions and move forward so that we will have a successful club in the future.

CRS, this just is not the case. I know from personal experience that the time allowed was ample to either complete the required work or to have it substantally completed.  Also, no one other than chapter 15 asked for more time to complete the task, in fact, no one that closed their chapter cited time as a reason for closing down.

I disagree that this is "all on" the BOD. While none of us are perfect, and do make mistakes, there was also no constructive input from chapters. I hear loud and clear that nobody like the change, but also, no one has come with alternative solutions, which have been asked for. 

There are some states where the work could take 3-4 hours, and some that might take 20, but the idea that this is a task that no one could possibly do is just not the case.

 

truckun95 wrote:

I guess the simplest thing to say in a neutral position is reach out to the board members for your answer(s). I do not think they will respond on the forum or to specific requests. The chapters and members where provided with a letter of requirements and included a statement that they must have approval to share information on the forum by the board. Chapters specifically just paid supporters, volunteers, and club donation givers have been very busy and professionally handling the matter internally.

The statement that we would not share the guidelines is flat out untrue. I'll share with anyone that is interested. Think about it, if someone wanted to form a new chapter, would we not gladly share the info? Would we not have to share the info?
 

ianauz wrote:

Skinner wrote:

Yes the unobtainable deadline, which no one speaks of.
more than anything ended the chapters.

So , If this deadline has passed ,Why are Chapter 5 and 15 still trying to  complete the registration ????
Is Chapter one compliant  ? Has Chapter 31 formed after ,and compliant ?
Without Chapters ,Is this the end of the ACMOC national shows . I cant see the Bods organizing a show .
How long is the forum going to be open for ?  Joe Blacks ACME forum is still around .


Simple answer: Because they asked for more time and they could demonstrate that they were actively pursuing the change. They engaged productively.

Chapter 1 and 31 are both contract chapters and are separate entities from the club. Clearly, they could do it, proving it possible.

The board is heartily supporting members that wish to organize and operate a show. If you read Issue #164, you will see the opportunity and the financial support the club is offering. The only reason that this would be the "end" of shows, is if there are not enough members that are interested enough in them to make it happen.