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17 years 3 months ago #2565 by Kelly
Replied by Kelly on topic Union Busting!
Who looking after this 401-K plan?

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17 years 3 months ago #2567 by t20dozer
FRK had 3400 plus employees , over 350+ operations.This is not a fly by night company. theres is 15 employees at my location. They offered 18.73% profit sharing to all employees dont beleave me ASK em. thats all employees accross the US, our 401k is handled through suntrust i cant help i have good benefits and the union sucks. i shouldnt have to pay someone for a job and a place to work. thats what i think IF you dont like it dont comment about it. You must be like the person that ran the dozer off the highwall. Now im mad.:mad: No matter what i say you wont beleave me so ill done commenting.

I wasnt trying to piss in someones fire when i posted this if I new this would happen i wouldnt have posted on here.

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17 years 3 months ago #2568 by Walt66A
I think that Otterden is the type that can't beleive that somebody can do well without a union, no matter what they are told. If I had the chance, I would drop the union in a heart beat. I too, can't think of anything positive that they have done for me.

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17 years 3 months ago #2569 by SJ
Replied by SJ on topic Union Jobs
The dealer I worked for was not union but had excellant benefits so we didn,t need one. When our road service men went out on many union jobs they had to pull the machine off the road site property to even be allowed to work on it or the union placed one of their mechanics to sit there all day & watch or sleep & get paid for doing nothing till the job was finished by our serviceman.Not all unions were the same but the Operating Engineers was the bad one.Some jobs our men weren,t even allowed on the job so if the contractor needed some work on a machine it had to be hauled to our shop or away from the site.

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17 years 3 months ago #2570 by ttman4

Yup, glad to be here. So far looks like a really friendly, informative site. Everybody seems to be helpful.
Couple other sites I'm on (trucks etc) are really good....no flaming & no "put-downs".....just information along with some goodnatured, big time ribbing. Then there are some sites where seems that everybody wants to "rag & putdown" everybody else..... & times-a-wasting:eek: :eek:

Way I see it, since I'm gonna live to be 150, I'm still not gonna live long enough to learn & do everything I want to!!!

maybe I was wrong afterall......:confused: :( :confused: :(

~and this too shall pass~
D6 9U6914SP, #46Hyd 1W523, 6A dozer #16C5869
R945B Liebherr Ex. (part owner)

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17 years 3 months ago #2579 by RKO
I was working on a job a few years ago and had a new John Deere 750C LGP Dozer ran in to the Missouri River because I would not hire out of the Union Hall. The Union Reps. showed up one day and asked why I was not hiring union people. I told them I was a small company and I had all the workers I needed to do that job. I pay my workers good and treated them like I wanted to be treated. The union guys tried to get me to go union but I wanted no part of it, and the guys working for me did not either. One morning we got to the job site and we could see the dozer caught on a piling in the river. Lucky for us it got caught on this piling because we could get a cable on it and get it back on the bank. We got it back on the bank and drained all the fluids, then the EPA showed up (some one called them that there had been a oil spill in the river) What fun!! Finally the EPA guy took some samples and said he would be in touch with me. I loaded the dozer up on a truck and hauled it to the shop, not saying anything to anyone. I next day I got a visit from the one union guy and asked if i had problem. I told him I did not have no problems. He said he heard I had a problem and heard I was going to have more. I basically said he could have bigger problems if I had any more problems. I stayed at the job site until we finished it and never had any more problems. The union calls us scabs, but I take it as a complement. To this day the union leaves me alone.

The Union might have a place but I think a worker should be able to choice if he wants to join or no. So often I see the unions sticking up for workers that are worthless and need to be fired. They make it hard for a company to fire a bad worker and so the good workers suffer.
Ron

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17 years 3 months ago #2580 by Walt D7-3T

I was working on a job a few years ago and had a new John Deere 750C LGP Dozer ran in to the Missouri River because I would not hire out of the Union Hall. The Union Reps. showed up one day and asked why I was not hiring union people. I told them I was a small company and I had all the workers I needed to do that job. I pay my workers good and treated them like I wanted to be treated. The union guys tried to get me to go union but I wanted no part of it, and the guys working for me did not either. One morning we got to the job site and we could see the dozer caught on a piling in the river. Lucky for us it got caught on this piling because we could get a cable on it and get it back on the bank. We got it back on the bank and drained all the fluids, then the EPA showed up (some one called them that there had been a oil spill in the river) What fun!! Finally the EPA guy took some samples and said he would be in touch with me. I loaded the dozer up on a truck and hauled it to the shop, not saying anything to anyone. I next day I got a visit from the one union guy and asked if i had problem. I told him I did not have no problems. He said he heard I had a problem and heard I was going to have more. I basically said he could have bigger problems if I had any more problems. I stayed at the job site until we finished it and never had any more problems. The union calls us scabs, but I take it as a complement. To this day the union leaves me alone.

The Union might have a place but I think a worker should be able to choice if he wants to join or no. So often I see the unions sticking up for workers that are worthless and need to be fired. They make it hard for a company to fire a bad worker and so the good workers suffer.
Ron


At the great risk of being hated by many out there. This story sounds like the "Godfather or Mafia type" of group doing their type of actions.

It really galls me the think that any human being would behave like that.:mad: I do not understand anyone working for a company and allowing a group (UNION) to tell the workers what to do.:confused: If I work for a company My loyalty is to that company. If I don't like the way the company is I can change to some other job. It is not proper for some leach to tell the company what the workers do or can not do.

Enough said.

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17 years 3 months ago #2581 by Roadasprin
Are they going to fix the D7 or Part it out? Thought the pictures were great and the machine faired well for that kind of fall.As to the rest of the disscussion everybody to there own .

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17 years 3 months ago #2583 by Jim Sixty
t20dozer, I hope you will reconsider and stick around. I enjoyed your story and pictures. I'm a Rural Carrier for the Post Office and member of our union. The cost isn't high and the officers are all carriers and therefore know the job that we are expected to do, as compared to people that are just hired to run the union. Still there are things that go on that just don't make any sense to me. A while back there was a carrier that got his third DUI and lost his license. The USPS management wanted him fired and the union rep negotiated a settlement that allowed him to hire someone to drive him around to deliver the mail. My way of thinking would have agreed with management in that we really don't need people with three DUI convictions delivering mail, but what do I know.
Anyway, thanks for your story and pictures.
Jim

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17 years 3 months ago #2584 by alan627b
T20 has a right to his opinions. And they are based on his experiences, in his area.
I am a union operator, but I have to admit that at least around here, the main benefit the local has for me is acting as a watchdog on the local contractors. That and health insurance and retirement benefits for the days when I can't work anymore.
That isn't to say a contractor can't beat their deal, but who watches the company and the fund? I'd be suspicious if the outfit I worked for offered me a deal like that, if the fund and insurance was not managed by an independent company. Especially if someone from the company was also on the board, or something like that.
That being said, our former B.A. was a snake, and pissed off a lot of the contractors with a very inflexible attitude. I don't think he helped the members a whole lot. Now a lot f the big dirt companies have either pulled out, or will be as soon as they legally can.
Our local training program did what they could with the area and funds they had to work with, but ultimately, wound up sending out some apprentices, and even some journeyman, who couldn't hit the ground with a shovel.
Which makes it hard to sell "better qualified, trained union personell" to local contractors, who have hired their own operators after they pulled out, and now bid against the union contractors.
It's not looking too rosy here in eastern Nebraska, we'll just have to see what happens.
alan627b

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