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2 months 3 weeks ago #254885 by neil
Replied by neil on topic Loading a D4
LaPlante-Choate blade and hydraulic control you have there - the cap on the hydraulic oil tank is distinctively L-C. I had the D2 version on my 3J but the pump was driven by the rear PTO so stops when I declutch. Your unit is driven from the front of the crankshaft so always on

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Neil

Pittsford, NY
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2 months 3 weeks ago #254890 by R2D2
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Neil, Is the hydraulic tank with the D-4 on it then a LaPlante-Choate accessary including the pump?

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2 months 3 weeks ago #254894 by trainzkid88
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as for oil use a detergent they were made to use it!

the delo range of engine oils were originally developed by standard oil company and caterpillar for use in cat engines cat made the test engines for them. delo stands for diesel engine lubricating oil.

personally i would use delo gold 15w40 in the engine. a multi grade is superior in most cases to a mono-grade oil. look up your chosen oil company's product recommendation for the machine. your operating environment will change your choice of oil grade. if your in a primarily cold environment you may want to use a 10w40 rather than 15w40
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2 months 3 weeks ago #254905 by neil
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Yes sir, although the pump may be another brand - you can check what the pump says on it - if L-C, it should have those letters on it. Another option could be BeeGee, or third party is possible if the pump was replaced at some point. The hydraulic tank and the valve assembly on my D2 are separate, connected by tubes but they are both L-C. The tank has that distinctive domed cap, and the valve control uses a horizontal rotating handle (probably a holdover to the cable control control orientation), vs. the nowadays common vertical push lever.

Neil, Is the hydraulic tank with the D-4 on it then a LaPlante-Choate accessary including the pump?

Thanks


Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY
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2 months 3 weeks ago #254907 by R2D2
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The original owner would not have used Delo, but I hope subsequent owners did. At least it was likely available after WWII. I was never a logger or farmer that used diesel engines. I don't know their likely mindset, but mine was buy what ever oil was on sale when I started driving in the 70's. Even way back then "non detergent" was not an oil, that was common. My thoughts about it then, were it was for old cars and old lawnmowers. My 1st car was a 1937 Chevy Deluxe coupe. That motor was full of gray sludge. This dozer is older so I don't know yet what I will find. The 1st car I drove to college was a 1940 Ford Deluxe Coupe. It had an early 50's flathead that was cleaner, but still had sludge in the pan. My 1st diesel was a 6.2 in a Blazer. It was sitting a long time, long enough for squirrels to pack Filberts up the exhaust, and when I dropped the pan on it, to change the rear main seal, there was a small amount of sludge in there after multiple oil changes. I expect this dozer diesel to have some to a lot of sludge in it. I expect I will use Delo 400 in it and just change it often. That is considering it runs!!

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2 months 3 weeks ago #254908 by R2D2
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Thanks Neil, that's interesting! When we went to lower the blade once the dozer was on the trailer, it didn't go down with the jack after the chains were removed. So we raised the jack back up to hold it from falling, which would not have been good for the trailer, it has a soft deck already. We had the blade up high. I 1st tried pulling up on the handle until someone said rotate it. The blade lowered nicely. The pump on the front looks like it leaks with all the buildup on it. It may be a problem to rebuild?? The tank has the cap you mentioned.

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2 months 3 weeks ago #254909 by bluox
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First a disclaimer, I can't recall ever working on one of these tractors, but I have worked on a bunch of later ones.
When I go out on a motor making od noises call I take a oil filter with me.
I pull the filter to check for junk So I would suggest you pull your filter and check for sludge.
Every old Cat motor I have seen has a plate on the side or bottom to access the oil pump.
Pull that plate and you can check and clean the pan.
Good luck
Bob
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2 months 3 weeks ago #254911 by R2D2
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Thanks for that advice Bob! Once I'm at the point of working on the machine, I'm going to definitely need manuals. I will need to become a member here. I probably should start reading up on them now.
One thing about older machinery, and engines, the idea, and tech was lacking in the filtering, of fuel, hydraulics, oil, and air. I have an 50's AJS scrambler that was built for desert racing, and it came stock from the factory without an air filter on the carb! No warranty...no filters needed!

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2 months 3 weeks ago #254913 by neil
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The Cat Twenty Two doesn't have an oil filter either although it has a screen on the oil pump pickup so I attached mother's pantyhose to it temporarily about 20 years ago to "filter" the oil a bit more : ). When I pulled the pan originally, it had gritty stony sludge in it, like sand. It's amazing that thing still runs. It must have about a half inch of rod and main clearance and thuds away but still runs. Plan "one day" is to grind the crank and re-babbit. I also ascertained that the pump feeds a main oil gallery which I figured could take three holes - two outer holes to route via a full flow oil filter and the middle one to block the flow along the gallery forcing the oil through the filter. First need to practice making that change on a junk block to confirm it works, sizing, etc.

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Neil

Pittsford, NY

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2 months 3 weeks ago #254915 by R2D2
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I hope my engine has a somewhat tighter clearance, but the pony motor end play on the flywheel is considerable. I don't know how much is too much there.

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