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2 months 3 weeks ago #254937 by neil
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I've seen them run with .250 but you really want to get it down to .015 - .025 for it to be "safe'. Many times this can be achieved simply by redrilling the main bearings which are just basically "aluminum bushings". The bushings are located axially by a dowel that also serves as the oil passage to the bearings. The trick is to center the crank so that the rod journals are evenly balanced between the two piston bores, then mark and drill both bushings in a new location (turn the bushing to present a fresh surface to drill). No parts needed other than fresh gaskets. If the radial clearance exceeds maybe 010?, you can also just fit new bearings/bushings. To me, taking care of that is preferable to dropping a rod and damaging other parts, including the magneto shaft which can shear as a result of excessive crank clearance

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Neil

Pittsford, NY
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2 months 3 weeks ago #254938 by R2D2
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I agree it is something that should be taken care of. If the rest of the machine turns out useable, I'll need to get into it. Trying to understand where the wear is occurring without it being disassembled is my problem. Is the bushing wearing where it is being held by the dowel? I don't think I've seen a bottom end like that, but I don't have much experience either.
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2 months 3 weeks ago #254940 by R2D2
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Since I bought this dozer, I've been looking on YouTube, and places like this forum for pictures, and preferably videos to compare my dozer to others, but I haven't had too much luck. I kind of thought since Cat made probably 5000 RD4's, and many more 4G D4's that there would be more to look at. Maybe they are still stuffed in a shed like mine was, or rusting in the woods somewhere. Hopefully they didn't all fall victim to the scrapper, but many likely must have.

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2 months 3 weeks ago #254941 by D8Dude
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R2D2,
I'm not sure if you've come across it, but Squatch253 has some very informative videos on YouTube explaining the bearing setup on Caterpillar 2 cylinder opposed starting engines and how to overcome some of the issues encountered with bearing wear.
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2 months 3 weeks ago #254946 by neil
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That's a common symptom - the dowel being flogged out from the pony crank sliding back and forwards as the tractor clunks across the field. Obviously, "standard" wear will occur as well but the end float is usually from the dowel hole (and sometimes the dowel itself) flogging out. Good practice to replace teh dowels - they cost nothing last time I looked. On my 5U, I elected to remove any reliance on them and instead milled each end of the crank and the adjoining faces on the pony block/front cover to accept a thrust washer. Now any clunking to and fro by the crank bears on the thrust washers and not on the dowels

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Neil

Pittsford, NY
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2 months 3 weeks ago #254947 by R2D2
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Does the wear occur equally on each side of the dowel hole? I'm wondering if something could be done to position the flywheel to either hold it firmly when the machine is moving, or to position the flywheel to run in the same position while in operation from the outside? If a couple of tabs were welded to the floorboards they could keep flywheel in one place, and the dowel rods from any contact inside. Sounds like a janky fix, but it already has a belt attached to a starter motor with an arm on the starter to pull the belt tight, spinning the flywheel instead of the rope pull method.

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2 months 3 weeks ago #254949 by neil
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Yes, they both wear more on the inboard side because it's that side that takes the impact when the crank slides. Some kind of a bracket on the clutch cover, done well, would probably do a good job of holding the flywheel/crank so it couldn't clunk back and forth. Do post pictures if you make something.

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Neil

Pittsford, NY

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2 months 2 weeks ago #254962 by trainzkid88
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ours did the rattle stop our of 16 theeth on the gear 8 were left and it bent the mag shaft.

a old farmer told us make a couple of timber wedges to support the flywheel on the pilot engine it helps prevent them flogging out the bushings. as you work the machine.
new bushes are available from the dealer not cheap though and have to be machined to length as they are supplied over long to allow for wear and adjustment.
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2 months 2 weeks ago #254963 by R2D2
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88, That is exactly what I was thinking... wedge it so it can't move while operating, or hold it in place with 2 stops, or 1 if 2 aren't doable. How much end play did you have when yours quit? Was it sitting level? I'm going to have to measure endplay on mine tomorrow or Saturday when I'm there next.

I probably have a lot more to worry about than end play on the pony motor, but Murphy has already paid me a visit with the trailer, and still could be hanging around.

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2 months 2 weeks ago #255025 by R2D2
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I was able to get out to the dozer Saturday to remove the tire/wheel from the trailer, and all the wire wrapped up in there. It was a 5 hour job... I don't need or want to say more about that!

What was interesting is I found a quart of motor oil on top of the winch. It was half full. It was Shell 20-50wt SF, SE/CC API rated. I looked up that rating, and it was used from about 1978-1988. The SG rating came out after that. This dozer likely was sitting longer than I thought. That plastic bottle, had not moved in a long time. One side looked like new and the other side facing up was not readable unless I clean it.
I didn't have time to do anything on the dozer, it was all about the trailer.
I took some pictures of the winch that I'll post later.

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