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12 years 5 months ago #65451
by lil cat mec
i can't seem to adjust the clutch right... i have some pics of what im working with and im not shure what to do... it IS grinding when i push in (the actual clutch) so does that mean i need to back it off??? or tighten it more??? it is a newely rebuilt clutch... or the man that replaced it could of put it in wrong???
1935 CAT 22 2f4455W
CAT 951
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12 years 5 months ago #65458
by zootownjeepguy
LCM,
Hate to burst your bubble, but after sitting for a decade your clutch is more than likely stuck. Over time, the clutch disc tends to fuse to the flywheel or pressure plate so even though the clutch is "disengaged" it's still turning with the engine and grinding gears. The best way to free it up is to split the tractor at the bell housing but that's also the hardest way. Sometimes a good soak with diesel fuel will work (I just did that with my new D2). If you can fill the clutch compartment 1/2 way with diesel fuel (old, stale fuel will work) and let it soak for a few days that might help. Be sure to turn the engine over 1/2 a revolution a couple times a day while it's soaking.
You could also pull it outside, wedge something (or have someone on the tractor) to hold the clutch pedal in, put it in first gear and pull the tractor around (stopping and starting) until it breaks loose. You'll know when it breaks loose because the engine will not turn with the clutch disengaged if it's moving and in gear. It will also pull much easier when you push in the clutch pedal.
I won't tell you the more dangerous methods for liability reasons.
Rich Salvaggio
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12 years 5 months ago #65460
by drujinin
There is also a "clutch brake" in there. Normally you adjust your main clutch, then check the clearance on the clutch brake. I agree with Rich about clutch faces being sticky.
I tell people that pull tractors out of sheds and fence rows to drain the water/oil out and refill with Diesel Fuel to soak till you have time to work on it. If its long enough, it may cure half of the "stuck" clutch and gear problems.
In your case, I think it about time to find an Operator/Owners Manual so that you can now adjust the engine and all the linkages properly. There is a bunch of maintenance things that you should think about doing as now it runs.
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12 years 5 months ago #65467
by Orchard22
I would do as the guys above have said, but I would first check the clutch brake to see if the friction material is intact, my guess,as per the grinding and not shifting is the clutch brake material broke-down and disintegrated. The reason I know this is my 22 has the same issue(no friction material), and I will have to split it in the spring. To check the clearances mentioned by Druinjin the bell-housing/clutch inspection cover is under the gas tank, it should have an oil cup sticking out the top.
just my 2 cents,
have a good day
orchard22
1935 Caterpillar
Twenty-Two Citrus(or low top seat orchard)
serial number:2F2204
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12 years 5 months ago #65468
by lil cat mec
would the clutch already be stck??? it is a brand NEW clutch this last spring...
1935 CAT 22 2f4455W
CAT 951
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12 years 5 months ago #65469
by zootownjeepguy
If the clutch is less than a year old it shouldn't be stuck, you never know though. Has it been tested since it was installed? May have been installed wrong or needs adjustment. Have you tried putting it in gear and, with the clutch pedal all the way in, bumping the starter with the ignition off? If the clutch will release the tractor should not move.
Looks like your clutch pedal has been modified, but from the wear on it it must have worked at some point.
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12 years 5 months ago #65470
by bruce oz
hello lil cat mec ,did you replace the clutch brake facing when you did the main clutch ?.have you ajusted the clutch brake ?.if you dont ajust the clutch brake you will only get the grinding unless you start it in gear .bruce oz
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12 years 5 months ago #65473
by lil cat mec
i didn't replace it one of my neighbors did... so i don't know what all was done but i could try to get a hold of him and ask him about the clutch break...
the clutch has not been tested due to the fact that it hasnt ran lol...
what would cause the clutch to grind when i push it in???? if it was just putting it in gear i wouldnt be as worried but its when i push in the clutch...
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12 years 5 months ago #65474
by zootownjeepguy
what would cause the clutch to grind when i push it in???? if it was just putting it in gear i wouldnt be as worried but its when i push in the clutch...
Was the throwout bearing checked or replaced when the clutch was installed? Sounds like something was not put back together correctly. I'd be talking to that neighbor, especially if he was Paid to do the work.
Rich Salvaggio
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12 years 5 months ago #65475
by lil cat mec
my grand-pa did pay him... so ill try to get ahold of him... can i check by pulling the gastank and opening the clutch inspection cover???
1935 CAT 22 2f4455W
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