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12 years 3 months ago #67219 by puffer@rpi.edu
Replied by puffer@rpi.edu on topic I agree

3/16 of an inch will make a huge difference. I would leave the yoke on the top.

lcm, I agree with Mike. Leave the yoke on the top where it is supposed to be. Two wrongs don't make a right. Ray

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12 years 3 months ago #67220 by ronm
Replied by ronm on topic new member with a 1935 Cat 22
X3-if the manual page you posted, as well as Mike's photo, shows it on top, why exactly are you even talking about putting it on the bottom?

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12 years 3 months ago #67221 by lil cat mec
because others have said i may get more movement out of the clutch so it will disengage instead of grinding... i will try it with the yoke on top as it shows in the manual and it that doesn't work then i will try it on bottom...

1935 CAT 22 2f4455W
CAT 951

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12 years 3 months ago #67228 by Mike Meyer
Replied by Mike Meyer on topic Hi LCM

because others have said i may get more movement out of the clutch so it will disengage instead of grinding... i will try it with the yoke on top as it shows in the manual and it that doesn't work then i will try it on bottom...


There's a great guy on here called "Edb" who ran a Cat Dealer workshop for a long time, he's retired now, and he gave me some very good advice about a year ago when I was trying to fix a old Cat, "Mike" he said, "always return the tractor to it's original design and delivery specifications before attempting new repairs and modifications", and I've found that darn good advice.

That means in your situation LCM you re-install the correct thrust bearing and any associated washers or spacers, then straighten the cross shaft if necessary, and build up the cross shaft forks that hold the thrust bearing carrier with weld and machine back to correct size, and check the ends of that cross shaft for wear and repair if necessary, and double check the thickness of the clutch plate, and find a way to check the clutch spring tensions are close to correct spec BEFORE you even think about changing the location of the yoke.

I've found that good advice ever since, and it might take a extra hour or two to go the extra yard, but you will be amazed at how well it works, because those Cat Designers and Engineers were no fools and the design of those early crawlers was pretty fool proof and rugged, so much so that fool farmers like me with no formal Mechanical training and with only a hand full of basic tools could do about 95% of the repair work on them.
regards
Mike

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12 years 3 months ago #67237 by lil cat mec
okay i see... that is very good advice...:( gerr lol... i need to find somewhere around here that will teach me about machining... the furthest i have gone is welding torching and bending... but only being 16 i cant even be in the machining class at our little college.....hmmm

1935 CAT 22 2f4455W
CAT 951

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12 years 3 months ago #67240 by zootownjeepguy
Machining is not that hard. Basically, you start with a chunk of metal and cut off everything that doesn't look like what you're making.:lol::lol:

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12 years 3 months ago #67245 by lil cat mec
lol... okay i have tried that with a torch...:shocked::shocked::faint:
lets just say it never turns out like i picture it!!!

1935 CAT 22 2f4455W
CAT 951

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12 years 3 months ago #67257 by drujinin
Many years ago, I spent a summer in a shop on the East Coast working with a man who built a fully functional rifle with a hacksaw, file, hammer and chisel. Point is 150 years ago, they didn't have luxories like a torch and a fully functional machine shop. Neither does Mike Meyers as near as I can figure?? Mike told you to build it up, Well? That means add metal to it, option one is to electric weld, option two is to use Oxy-Acet and braze. Then take the second oldest machine tool in the world (FILE) and proceed to make it look like the picture in your mind. When you can make it by hand patiently and correctly, then you can progress to using power machining. Always remember, patience will get you farther, without having to fix it twice.
Jeff
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The last 22 I had here to part out had the linkage over the top, I think(?)

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12 years 3 months ago #67268 by lil cat mec
okay i see what your talking about... you don't need all the fancy equipntment to do it you can just use hand tools... as for welding what would be best to use arc or mig(using stargon for air)? i am NOT good at tig or oxy-accetylene... and then what rod if arc is best?

1935 CAT 22 2f4455W
CAT 951

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12 years 3 months ago #67355 by lil cat mec
Replied by lil cat mec on topic its working!!!
well the motor is bolted up to the tranny!!!
heres my youtube link

i still have to adjust the clutch break but it is still working

1935 CAT 22 2f4455W
CAT 951

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